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Secretary-General of the Mohawk Nation of the Grand River Rejects Pope's "apology", Disassociates from "chief" Phil Fontaine

In a letter to Pope Joseph Ratzinger at the Vatican, dated May 3, 2009, Arnold Douglas, Secretary-General of the Grand River Mohawk Nation in Ontario, Canada, rejected Ratzinger's recent "apology" to Indian residential school survivors, and disassociated his nation from the actions of the so-called "chief" Phil Fontaine of the government's Assembly of First Nations.

Copies of Arnold Douglas' letter were sent to the International Criminal Court at the Hague, Fontaine, the Eastern Orthodox church, Elizabeth Windsor, aka "queen of England", the Canadian government, and Kevin Annett.

The letter stated, in part,

Dear Pope Benedict,

... We are amazed that your advisors have not advised you that the Assembly of First Nations do not represent the Ohnkwehonwe. We are the original beings and thus the caretakers of this Land ... The Assembly of First Nations, however, represents only those of our People who have become citizens of Canada and do not, in any way, represent us ...

Your Church must accept responsibility, not only for the acts of genocide during the twentieht century but, more importantly, for the original Papal Bulls which confirmed that, as we were without Christian souls, European nations were authorized to seize our lands and, by extension, to murder our People in an endeavour to seize the great wealth which your Church realized we possessed.

As an ongoing integral part of your culpabaility in relation to the acts of genocide committed against us, your church then actively participated in the kidnapping of our children by armed thugs, otherwise known as the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, forcing them at gun point into residential schools where they were raped and murdered by your clergy and others in a campaign which included germ warfare against us.

At a time when the world still seeks punishment against those responsible for the holocaust against our brothers and sisters of the Jewish tradition, we are offended and, indeed, enraged in the knowledge that over 50% of our children were murdered at the hands of Canada's servants in concert with the action of the Christian church and yet you, as the Head of that Church, appeat to think that all you have to do is offer an apology and all is forgiven.

... We do not accept your apology.

You must be aware and you must not be allowed to forget that clergy, many of them under the authority of the Catholic Church, murdered our children by exposing them to deadly diseases (smallpox, tuberculosis and others) and this in a deliberate attempt to eliminate us ... Accordingly, neither you nor Canadian officials will be permitted to plead ignorance in this regard. Being aware of these atrocities, you have a moral and a legal obligation to seek justice for the victims of such crime. Clearly, therefore, you were, are and always will be held accountable for this mass murder of innocent children.

... We will not enter into a common future with people who would allow such injustice to continue. We demand a full and impartial investigation of those atrocities and that those responsible for them be brought to justice.

We can advise you further that, in view of the ongoing policy of genocide being perpetrated against us by Canada, we have expressed our concerns, as representatives of the sovereign Mohawk Nation, to the International Criminal Court at the Hague and this with a view to having the Court acknowledge our sovereignty as a Nation, and, by extension, to seek an investigation of the atrocities being perpetarted against us by Canada.

... As an initial step in that process, we would anticipate that you would withdraw the Papal Bulls which, in our opinion, were responsible for the genocidal policy ... throughout Turtle Island.

Please acknowledge receipt of the present correspondence.

Sincerely,
(signature)
Arnold Douglas
Secretary General, Mohawk Nation
RR #1
Mohawk Territory at Grand River
Turtle Island N0A 1M0
canada like the usa PAID these churches to house native children. governments used police and army to steal these same children from their families. they are both to blame.


and ratzinger is supposedly taken the title of gods rep here on earth...he can bear the responsibilities for that churches wrongs no matter how long ago. he has the power to rescind the bulls. but he has no will to. he is also to blame as is the entire system that allowed them to hide pedophiles and move them to where they could abuse other kids. the same thing happend in ireland around the same time and the exact same thing is happening in south america NOW. why do you want to defend these murderers and molesters of children?:
it was church clergy of both catholic and protestant churches who were guilty of the sexual and physical abuse occuring in these hell holes. even today they refuse to turn over the bodies of tens of thousands of children they killed, refusing to give them peace even in death.
from ireland:
"Lots of people didn't survive. That's what people have to know. And there's no genuine justice if we can't name our abusers."
Christine Buckley, Irish survivor of Catholic Sister of Mercy orphanage, Dublin, May 20, 2009

from canada's policy about the abuse to native children:

"The Commissioners shall not receive into evidence any allegation of wrongdoing, or shall allow the naming of names of alleged abusers ..."
from the mandate of Canada's "Truth and Reconciliation Commission" into Indian Residential Schools, 2008

does that sound like an apology? we can't even name the ones who are murderers?? our children are dead and they get to live free with no justice!
just to add...aside from the papal bulls in question, this is not ancient history. this is recent memory. survivors of these places are still with us today...and so are the abusers and murderers.
ETA @ DJimenez...this has nothing to do with hispanics. this has to do with the institutions of the catholic church the united church of canada and the anglican church of canada who for a hundred years until the 1990s, ran schools where indigenous children were beaten and murdered. some of the people who did this..individuals, are STILL ALIVE and living free. our children are dead! are you saying you think we should just accept their "i'm sorry" without seeking justice? i'll assume you simply misunderstood because i have a hard time thinking anyone would find that acceptable. they are HIDING the abusers from justice.
ETA@dowhanawi...again the native seems to be the only one knowing what is happening around us. the other answers are speaking as if this is old history! please people...read this again or google it yourself. this is TODAY, not hundreds of years ago. the survivors of these places are still with us and suffering!

I recently heard an excerpt from it. I can sympathize. I have emphathy.

But honestly, I'm getting tired of people pointing fingers towards Catholics.....because if we want to refer to historical damage, it was predominately inflicted by Spaniards, if not all of them. I'm sure it is predominately white people in the contemporary dealings as well. But just slashing the "Catholics," "the Church" and "Christians" is very very broad. Blood is not on the hands of every person who is Catholic. My people were trying to survive in Costa Rica--we never tried to convert anyone against their will or rip off cultures.

Ok....well, I think a lot of my frustration is that people confuse Hispanics, specifically with the Spaniards. It's wasn't my ancestors nor the people of today who have taken any part in any monstrosities that are going on. That's where a lot of misconceptions and ignorance lie.

To answer your question, no. It does not sound like an apology. BUT if folks want to start dishing out apologizes for shit like this, I want an apology from EVERY EUROPEAN NATION who's committed some heinous act against modern-day minority groups. I want them to apologize for murdering hundreds of millions of people.

"We do not accept your apology." Okay. Cubans wouldn't accept Castro's apology (if he wanted to give one) for his vile deeds. Descendants of the African Diaspora didn't take kindly to France's apology for its role in the slave trade. But I don't think they let that engulf them.

I realize this is a tall order. Do I think it will happen? No. But it's a nice thought.

EDIT: I just absorbed the fact that the letter was addressed to Pope Benedict. That 82 year old Pope. I hope he doesn't have health issues--that letter might kill him.

Maybe I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but what more is needed/expected? An apology, albeit a wishy-washy one was issued, but if the "Catholic Church" could scrounge and gather the "persecutors" up, prosecute them, (and I'm assuming, incarcerate them for the rest of their lives) am I to understand that everyone's minds would be at ease?

EDIT 2: Wow, that's not what I said. And I'm pretty sure I didn't imply anything of that nature. That's why I did the first edit and said that if the "Catholic Church" could round up the abusers, what more would they be responsible for--conducting trials and placing the offenders in prison for the rest of these days upon this Earth, or massacring them/violating them in the same way that the children were? And I wasn't just dropped off the turnip truck either--I realize Hispanics aren't involved in this--I was just using that as a medium with the two other scenarios of injustices that I described. This is synonymous with my first edit, and if that's a lack of understanding or misinterpretation on my part, then I must have a hell of a lot more living to do.

2009-05-23 09:40:52 by Kanien:kaha'ka-[]-[]-^-[]-[]

Roman Catholic, Missa Cantata, Tridentine Mass said Feb 9, 2008 for the cause of Vn. John Henry Cardinal Newman. Our Lady of Assumption Church ...

"Peter Phillips's fiancée renounces her Catholic faith so he can keep his place in the Royal succession

by EMILY ANDREWS and REBECCA ENGLISH - More by this author » Last updated at 18:12pm on 1st May 2008

Peter Phillips's fiancée has renounced her Catholic faith and converted to Anglicanism in a move that means he keeps his place in the Royal succession.
Canadian Autumn Kelly, 29, will marry the Queen's eldest grandson on May 17.

But due to the fact that she was... a Catholic, their marriage would have meant Mr Phillips...11th in line to the throne, surrendering his place.

In the 1701 Act of Settlement, British monarchs and their heirs are forbidden to become or even marry Catholics.

But now the potential problem has been averted after Miss Kelly...converted to the Church of England.

She did so after taking taking secret instructions from the Dean of Windsor."

There's more at http://www.dailymail.co.uk

Does ANYONE think it matters? Or is it antiquated? Just surprised!

Too much attention is given to the British Royal Family. Every time one of them gets married or flies a helicopter it makes national news. But it's not news. The British people should realize that they are paying their taxes to keep this family in luxury when they've neither earned it nor deserved it. There are more important issues to think about. It's the 21st century and the Royal Family and the Church of England are medieval institutions that need reforming not least because their obscene wealth was stolen from ordinary people hundreds of years ago. It's time it was returned.

2008-05-03 13:46:27 by Vercetti

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By MARYCLAIRE DALE, Associated Press Writer Sat Sep 16, 4:13 AM ET
WYNNEWOOD, Pa. - Monsignor David Benz listened in anguish as a woman described how a parish priest sexually abused her two sons with the same hands he used to consecrate the body and blood of Christ. The woman's tale came in a meeting called by Cardinal Justin Rigali, who summoned hundreds of Roman Catholic priests in the Philadelphia Archdiocese to hear from the victims of clergy sex abuse. The victims offered sometimes graphic accounts of molestation and rape. "It was like sticking a knife in my heart," said Benz, 63, of St. Philomena church in Lansdowne. Victoria Windsor Cubberly spoke of repeated abuse by more than one priest and the suicidal thoughts and nightmares she suffers as a result. The mother of the two abused children, identified only by the first name Grace, talked about the lingering trauma the abuse inflicted on her entire family. "How did I not know? How did I not see it?" said Grace. See Yahoo news.

He will be punished by the law and punished worse in heaven.

There is no place for this kind of abuse.

I also hate it when a little league coach, teacher, uncle or aunt, neighbor, boss, baby-sitter, sports figure, Rabbi, Imam, Preacher, or parent does this.

There are bad people everywhere. This is not exclusive to the Priesthood.

Peace!

2006-09-16 10:44:25 by jikg