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This belief is not attested to in the early Church, consider:

“The belief in the corporeal assumption of Mary is founded on the apocryphal treatise De Obitu S. Dominae, bearing the name of St. John, which belongs however to the fourth or fifth century. It is also found in the book De Transitu Virginis, falsely ascribed to St. Melito of Sardis, and in a spurious letter attributed to St. Denis the Areopagite” (Catholic Encyclopaedia).

These documents were condemned as heretical by two popes: Galasius, and Hormisdas. Remember, the pope is supposed to be infallible when teaching in matters of faith and morals (declaring a heresy certainly fits the criteria for infallibility). There is no mention of this teaching before these condemned writings, and the idea wasn't taught by anyone within the Catholic Church until St. Gregory in the 6th century, and John Damascene in the 8th. Explain to me how this is not a case of your infallible magesterium contradicting it's infallible self.
CJ, you are not a Catholic and the question was put to Catholics. Thanks for the time, but your answer is not at all relevent to my question.
Wolfblayed, and God's child: Neither one of you even attempted to answer the question. God's child, your reading of this doctrine into Revelation 12:1 is utterly unwarranted, and has nothing to do whatsoever with, a-The question at hand or, b-The dogma in question. It is simply anachronistic biblical interpretation. As for the argument about nobody knowing where Mary's bones are, it is an argument from silence and it proves exactly nothing. Yes, Enoch was assumed but my objection isn't that God couldn't or wouldn't do something like that. My question, if you care to try and actually answer it, was: Given that this idea was condemned as heretical by two popes, and then over a thousand years later delared to be a dogma of the catholic faith by another pope, doesn't that equal a direct contradiction between to "infallible" popes? Is this not a classic case of an x is non x logical contradiction? If not, how is it not?
Wolfblayde, if questions regarding who wrote a document was the standard for something being heretical, the book of Hebrews would then be heretical, as no one is sure who wrote it. No, authorship was not the issue, or at least, not the main issue. Documents that are pretty much orthodox and of uncertain authorship such as, Didache,and The Sheperd of Hermas, are orthodox but we don't know who wrote them, ergo, not condemned as heretical. It is the content that makes the document heretical or not. The fact remains, the documents were condemned as heresy by two popes, and the dogma in question was later proniunced by another pope. You have not answered the question, you have only dodged the real implications of this inconvenient historical reality. This one thing alone calls into serious question the bodily assumption, and utterly demolishes papal infallibility.
Also, I note that this passage from Catholic Encyclopedia says that this doctrine is founded upon these spurious writings. That doesn't inspire much confidence.

Why do you quote only the portion of the article that backs your allegations and not the rest of the document which explains why we believe what we believe?

"If we consult genuine writings in the East, it is mentioned in the sermons of St. Andrew of Crete, St. John Damascene, St. Modestus of Jerusalem and others. In the West, St. Gregory of Tours (De gloria mart., I, iv) mentions it first. The sermons of St. Jerome and St. Augustine for this feast, however, are spurious. St. John of Damascus (P. G., I, 96) thus formulates the tradition of the Church of Jerusalem:

"St. Juvenal, Bishop of Jerusalem, at the Council of Chalcedon (451), made known to the Emperor Marcian and Pulcheria, who wished to possess the body of the Mother of God, that Mary died in the presence of all the Apostles, but that her tomb, when opened, upon the request of St. Thomas, was found empty; wherefrom the Apostles concluded that the body was taken up to heaven." (Catholic Encyclopedia)

By including the rest of the quote, we get a far different picture of the formulation of the doctrine than the one you're attempting to present. Obviously, the doctrine was not based on the spurious writings but on documents which are considered genuine.

You're either guilty of poor scholarship or out-and-out deception and bias -- and either way, it's pretty sad.

Edit:

The documents that were condemned were declared heretical because of their questionable authenticity: note the "falsely ascribed" and "spurious letter" references. Nowhere does the article say that the contents were called into question -- rather, who wrote those particular documents.

The doctrine itself wasn't the issue under scrunity, but rather the authenticity of those two particular documents. Since the documents, not the doctrine, were condemned, there's no contradiction between papal infallibility and the spurious writings. The Pope based his "ex cathedra" pronouncements on genuine documents and sacred tradition in keeping with Scripture.

2007-09-11 07:52:01 by St. Preachy

This church is dedicated to St Catherine of Alexandria and was Zejtun#39;s parish from 1436 to 1720. Today it is known as St. Gregory#39;s ...

My friend is getting married in June of 2009, and we are having a very hard time finding the perfect reception hall. The ceremony is at the St. Gregory's Catholic Church on 5345 Va Beach Blvd in VA and we wanted a place that wasn't too far away for her out of town guests to travel to. There will be approx. 150 guests that would be attending the reception. I have only found a few hotels that were pretty close to the church, but we wanted something better. If anyone has any ideas, or places that they think are perfect, please help.

Check out the local community centers in your town and nearby surrounding towns. They'll be cheaper and won't have any restrictions on caterers, and they'll usually be more flexible and willing to work with you to give you plenty of time to set up the day before.

You can also check with the local Moose or Elk Lodge, Senior Citizens center, golf country clubs, or other local organizations.

Recently my fiance and I booked the most amazing venue in a small nearby town's community center--complete with stage, dance floor, acoustic foam tiles on the walls (which we can also use for pinning up decorations), a huge kitchen with 2 fridges/2 stoves/two 2-basin sinks, complete audio system, piano, electric keyboard, tons of tables and chairs, all the dishes and flatware, and a perfect floorplan. Best of all, it's only $100 per day, so we are renting it the day before so we have more than enough time to set everything up.

As long as it's easy to get from one place to the other, it's not out of line to make people drive as far as 30 minutes away to get to your reception hall.

2008-06-24 16:47:21 by Sailor Horse

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Galatians 2:14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the Gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all You are a Jew yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew , How is it it then that your force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs.

Only the Roman Pontiff is rightly called universal; the Pope can be judged by no one; no one can be regarded as a catholic who does not agree with the Roman church; the Roman Church has never erred and never will err till the end of time; the Roman Church was founded by Christ alone; the Pope alone can depose and restore bishops; he alone can make new laws, set up new bishoprics, and divide old ones; he alone can translate bishops to another see; he alone can call general councils and authorize canon law; he alone can revise his own judgments; his sentence cannot be repealed by anyone and he alone can review the judgments of all; he alone can use the imperial insignia; he can depose emperors; he can absolve subjects from their allegiance to impious rulers; the Pope is the only man to whom all princes bend the knee; all princes should kiss his feet; his legates, even those in inferior orders, have precedence over all bishops; an appeal to the papal court inhibits judgment by all inferior courts; a duly ordained pope is undoubtedly made a saint by the merits of St. Peter."

- Pope Gregory VII

Catholics claim peter was ther first pope. Catholics claim the pope is infalliable when it comes to doctrine. But we see Paul correcting Peter from the begining. How can that be?
http://www.trueorthodoxy.org/heretics_ro man_catholics_pope_as_christ.shtml
Omnie read vs 14 you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs.

Sounds like teaching to me.
Omnie read vs 14 you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs.

Sounds like teaching to me.
Omnie read vs 14 you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs.

Sounds like teaching to me.
I didnt mean to submit the last message 3 times, sorry
Max all i did was quote the pope, maybe he or you need better understanding. And his quote is clear.
Spider man the process is the Cathlic Church makes comments that are false then back tracks trying to correct them.
This is just one example

You make a lot of assumptions about the Pope that the Catholic Church never has. Paul was rebuking Peter about his actions and not about doctrine.

Here is what Pope Benedict XVI said (on October 1, 2008) about Paul's rebuke of Peter in Galatians 2:14:

The second episode is the well known incident in Antioch, Syria, that attests to the inner freedom Paul enjoyed: how should one behave when eating with believers of both Jewish and Gentile origin? Here the other epicentre of Mosaic observance emerges: the distinction between clean and unclean foods which deeply separated practising Jews from Gentiles. At the outset Cephas, Peter, shared meals with both; but with the arrival of certain Christians associated with James, "the Lord's brother" (Gal 1: 19), Peter began to avoid contact with Gentiles at table in order not to shock those who were continuing to observe the laws governing the cleanliness of food and his decision was shared by Barnabas. This decision profoundly divided the Christians who had come from circumcision and the Christians who came from paganism. This behaviour, that was a real threat to the unity and freedom of the Church, provoked a passionate reaction in Paul who even accused Peter and the others of hypocrisy: "If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews?" (Gal 2: 14). In fact, the thought of Paul on the one hand, and of Peter and Barnabas on the other, were different: for the latter the separation from the Gentiles was a way to safeguard and not to shock believers who came from Judaism; on the contrary, for Paul it constituted the danger of a misunderstanding of the universal salvation in Christ, offered both to Gentiles and Jews. If justification is only achieved by virtue of faith in Christ, of conformity with him, regardless of any effect of the Law, what is the point of continuing to observe the cleanliness of foods at shared meals? In all likelihood the approaches of Peter and Paul were different: the former did not want to lose the Jews who had adhered to the Gospel, and the latter did not want to diminish the saving value of Christ's death for all believers.

It is strange to say but in writing to the Christians of Rome a few years later (in about the middle of the 50s a.D.), Paul was to find himself facing a similar situation and asked the strong not to eat unclean foods in order not to lose or scandalize the weak: "it is right not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that makes your brother stumble" (Rm 14: 21). The incident at Antioch thus proved to be as much of a lesson for Peter as it was for Paul. Only sincere dialogue, open to the truth of the Gospel, could guide the Church on her journey: "For the kingdom of God does not mean food and drink but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit" (Rm 14: 17). It is a lesson that we too must learn: with the different charisms entrusted to Peter and to Paul, let us all allow ourselves to be guided by the Spirit, seeking to live in the freedom that is guided by faith in Christ and expressed in service to the brethren. It is essential to be conformed ever more closely to Christ. In this way one becomes really free, in this way the Law's deepest core is expressed within us: love for God and neighbour. Let us pray the Lord that he will teach us to share his sentiments, to learn from him true freedom and the evangelical love that embraces every human being.

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedi ct_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-x vi_aud_20081001_en.html

With love in Christ.

2008-10-23 12:31:20 by TULSA

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1. OF ALL THE HUMAN TRADITIONS taught and practiced by the Roman Catholic Church, which are contrary to the Bible, the most ancient are the prayers for the dead and the sign of the Cross. Both began 300 years after Christ ... 310AD.

2. Wax Candles introduced in church about 320AD.

3. Veneration of angles and dead saints about 375

4. The Mass, as a daily celebration, adopted 394AD.

5. The worship of Mary, the mother of Jesus, and the use of the term, 'Mother of God', as applied to her, originated in the Council of Ephesus in .... 431AD.

6. Priests began to dress differently from the laity in 500AD.

7. The doctrine of Purgatory was first established by Gregory the Great about the year 593AD.

8. The Latin language, as the language of prayer and worship in churches, was also imposed by Pope Gregory I. 600 years after Christ ...600AD. The Word of god forbids praying and teaching in an unknown tongue. (1Cor.14:9).

9. The Bible teaches that we pray to God alone. In the primitive church never were prayers directed to Mary, or to dead saints. This practice began in the Roman Church about 600AD. (Matt. 11:28; Luke 1:46; Acts 10:25-26; 14:14-18)

10. The Papacy is of pagan origin. The title of pope or universal bishop, was first given to the bishop of Rome by the wicked emperor Phocas, in the year 610AD. This he did to spite Bishop Ciriacus of Constantinople, who had justly excommunicated him for his having caused the assassination of his predecessor emperor Mauritius. Gregory I, then bishop of Rome, refused the title, but his, successor, Boniface III, first assumed title "Pope." Jesus did not appoint Peter to the headship of the apostles and forbade any such notion. (Lk. 22:24-26;Eph.1:22-23;Col.1:18;lCor.3:11).Note:-Nor is there any mention in Scripture, nor in history, that Peter ever was in Rome, much less that he was pope there for 25 years; Clement, 3rd bishop of Rome, remarks that there is no real lst century evidence that Peter ever was in Rome."

11. The kissing of the Pope's feet began in 709AD. It had been a pagan custom to kiss the feet of emperors. The Word of God forbids such practices. (Read Acts 10:25-26; Rev. 19: 1 0; 22:9).

12. The Temporal power of the Popes began 750AD. When Pepin, the usurper of the throne of France, descended into Italy, called by Pope Stephen II, to war against the Italian Lombards, he defeated them and gave the city of Rome and surrounding territory to the pope. Jesus expressly forbade such a thing, and He himself refused worldly kingship. (Read Matt 4:8-9; 20:25-26; John 18:38).

13. Worship of cross, of images and relics was authorized in 788AD. This was by order of Dowager Empress Irene of Constantinople, who first caused to pluck the eyes of her own son, Constantine VI, and then called a church council at the request of Hadrian I, pope of Rome at that time.

14. Holy Water, mixed with a pinch of salt and blessed by the priest, was authorized in 850AD.

15. The veneration of St. Joseph began in 890AD.

16. The baptism of bells was instituted by Pope John XIV, in the year 965AD.

17. Canonization of dead saints, first by Pope John XV in 995AD. Every believer and follower of Christ is called saint in the Bible. (Read Rom, 1:7; I Cor. 1:2).

18. Fasting on Fridays and during Lent were imposed in the year 998AD.

Imposed by popes said to be interested in the commerce of fish. (Bull, or permit to eat meat), some authorities say, began in the year 7OOAD. This is against the plain teaching of the bible. (Read Matt.15:10 1Cor. 10:25; 1Tim.4:1-3).

19. The Mass was developed gradually as a sacrifice; attendance made obligatory in the 11th century. The Bible teaches that the sacrifice of Christ was offered once and for all, and not to be repeated, but only commerated in the Lord's Supper. (Read Heb.7:27; 9:26-28; 10: I 0- 14).

20. The celibacy of the priesthood was decreed by Pope Hildebrand, Boniface VII, in the year 1079AD. Jesus imposed no such rule, nor did any of the apostles. On the contrary, St. Peter was a married man, and St. Paul says that bishops were to have wife and children. (Read 1st Tim. 3:2,5, and 12: Matt 8:14-15).

21. The Rosary, or prayer beads was introduced by Peter the Hermit, in the year 1090AD. Copied from Hindus and Mohammedans 1090AD. The counting of prayers is a pagan practice and is expressly condemned by Christ (Matt 6:5-13).

22. The Inquisition of heretics was instituted by the Council of Verona in the year 1184. Jesus never taught the use of force to spread His religion ...1184AD.

23. The sale of Indulgence, commonly regarded as a purchase of forgiveness and a permit to indulge in sin, began in the year 1190AD. Christianity, as taught in the Bible, condemns such a traffic, and it was the protest against this traffic that brought on the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century.

24. The dogma of Transubstantiation was decreed by Pope Innocent III, in the year 1215AD. By this doctrine the priest pretends to perform a daily miracle by changing a wafer into the body of Christ, and then he pretends to eat Him alive in the presence of his people during Mass. The Bible condemns such absurdities; for the Lords Supper is simply a memorial of the sacrifice of Christ. The spiritual presence of Christ is implied in the Lord's Supper is simply a memorial of the sacrifice of Christ. The spiritual presence of Christ is implied in the Lord's Supper. (Read Luke 22:19-20; John 6:35; I Cor. 11:26).

25. Confession of sins to the priest at least once a year was instituted by Pope Innocent III, in the Lateran Council, in the year 1215AD. The Bible commands us to confess our sins direct to God. (Read Psalm. 51: 1 - 10; Luke 7:48; 15:21; John 1:8-9). 26. The adoration of the wafer (Host), was decreed by Pope Honorius in the year in 1220AD. So the Roman Church worships a God made by human hands. This is plain idolatry and absolutely contrary to the spirit of the Gospel. (Read John 4:24).

27. The Bible forbidden to laymen and placed in the Index of forbidden books by the Council of Valencia in 1229AD. Jesus commanded that the Scriptures should be read by all. (John5:39: lTim.3:15-17).

28. The Scapular was invented by Simon Stock, an English monk, in the year ... 1287AD. It is a piece of brown cloth, with the picture of the Virgin and supposed to contain supernatural virtue to protect from all dangers those who wear it on naked skin. It is fetishism.

29. The Roman Church forbade the cup to the laity, by instituting the communion of one kind in the Council of Constance n 1414AD. The Bible commands us to celebrate the Lord's Supper with unleavened bread and the fruit of the vine. (Read Matt. 26:27; I Cor. 11:26-29).

30. The doctrine of Purgatory was proclaimed as a dogma of faith by Council of Florence in 1439AD. There is not one word in the Bible that would teach the purgatory of priests. The blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth us from all sins. (Read I John 1:7-9; 2:1-2; John 5:24; Rom. 8: 1).

31. The doctrine of 7 Sacraments affirmed in 1439AD. The Bible says that Christ instituted only two ordinances, Baptism and the Lord's Supper. (Read Matt. 28:19-20; 26:26-28).

32. The Ave Maria, part of the last half in 1508AD. It was completed 50 years afterward and finally approved by Pope Sixths V, at the end of the 16th century.

33. The Council of Trent, held in the year 1545, declared that Tradition is of equal authority with the Bible 1545AD. By tradition is meant human teachings. The Pharisees believed the same way, and Jesus bitterly condemned them, for by teaching human tradition, they nullified the commandments of God. (Read Mark 7:7-13; Col. 2:8; Rev. 22:18).

34. The apocryphal books were added to the Bible also by the Council of Trent in 1546 These books were not recognized as canonical by the Jewish Church. (See Rev. 22:8-9).

35. The Creed of Pope Pius IV was imposed as the official creed 1560 years after Christ and the apostles, in 1560AD. True Christians retain the Holy Scriptures as their creed. Hence their creed is 1500 years older than the creed of Roman Catholics. (Read Gal. 1:8).

36. The Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary was proclaimed by Pope Pius IX in the year 1854AD. The Bible states that all men, with the sole exception of Christ, are sinners. Mary herself had need of a Savior. (Read Rom. 3:23; 5:12; Psalm. 51:5; Luke 1:30,46,47).

37. In the year 1870 after Christ, Pope Pius IX proclaimed the dogma of Papal Infallibility 1870AD. This is a blasphemy and the sign of the apostasy and of the antichrist predicted by St. Paul. (Read II These. 2:2-12; Rev. 17:1-9; 13:5-8,18). Many Bible students see the number of the beast (Rev. 13:18). 666 in the Roman letters of the Pope's title: "VICARIVS FILLII DEI." -V.5, I-1; C-100, l-l: v-5, 1-1; L-50, 1-1; 1-1-Total, 666.

38. Pope Pius X, in the year 1907, condemned together with 'Modernish", all the discoveries of modern science which are not approved by the Church... 1907AD. Pius IX had done the same thing in the Syllabus of 1864.

39. In the year 1930 Pius XI, condemned the Public Schools ... 1930AD.

40. In the year 1931 the same pope Pius XI, reaffirmed the doctrine that Mary is "the Mother of God.... 1931AD. This doctrine was first invented by the Council of Ephesus in the year 431AD. . This is a heresy contrary by Mary's own words. (Read Luke 1:46-49; John 2:1-5).

41. In the year 1950 the last dogma was proclaimed by Pope Pius XII, the Assumption of the Virgin Mary ....1950AD
Kerri, another user asked me why i reject catholic teachings. I couldn't remember who it was, so I just put it out for everybody. You're correct, it's long!
Tur b and yeow...my point, or at least part of it, is that doctrinally the RC church is lost and wandering. The list I posted is not all encompassing. There's much, much more.
The doctrines Christ taught, and the distorted money-making schemes the RC church turned them into are miles apart.
The veneration of mary is heresy. The confessional booth is heresy. There is one God, and one mediator between man and God; the man Christ Jesus.
What more needs to be said?
The papacy is illegitimate. See point 10.
We can take the popes one by one and critique them and thier pronouncements if you like, but somehow I don't think you want to go there.
tiger lily, i didn't say you worshipped mary. i used the term venerate. even a protestant understands the difference. it's still heresy.

Apparently you are not catholic because you believe in the word of the one true God.

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2007-08-29 20:47:10 by Graham

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven. #1030 pg. 268.
The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. The church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the church, by reference to certain texts of scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire: As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age or the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come"#1031 pgs.268-269

i picked this up from the website below. how ever i got this info from a book written by martin Jugie (Purgatory, and the means to avoid it). it stated this. Latin doctors, as st. Gregory the great (+604) and st. peter Damien (+1172), imply that the souls endure their purgatory in the very places in which they have sinned. private revelations and visions accord with this opinion. st. Tomas Aquinas attempts to reconcile these divergent hypotheses, he writes: "holy scripture gives nothing precise on the location of purgatory, and there is nor reason to place it here rather that there. however, regard having been had to the words of the saints and to private revelations, it is probable that there are two places for purgatory. the first place inferior place, situated in such contiguity to hell that the same fire serves both the tormenting of the damned in hell and the purifying of the just in purgatory. but as the damned are lower than the just, hell must be placed below purgatory. the second place of purgatory is an exceptional one. it it explains those narratives of certain soul being chastised in different places, whether for the instruction of the living or for the comfort of the dead-- for by their suffering being revealed, they procure the prayers of the faithful.ever, certain authors teach, that according to the common law, the place of the souls purgatory is that in which the person has sinned;)

my question is, if could this mean that if that person sinned against you in a big way, and they are believers in Christ in which saves them, then some of their time in purgatory is to be able to see what is going on here. with the people that are suffering from the sin that they committed. i am studying this because i believe that i saw my step grandmothers ghost. two years ago when i was suffering mentality over some unfair things that she did in my like to me. for just a few minutes i saw her. and she looked like her dead body, (not in a young and beautiful form. i do not believe that she is earth bound, but is it possible for the dead to be earthbound.

i got this infor from
http://www.anunseenworld.com/purgatory.h tml
AND
Purgatory and the means to avoid it (Martin Jugie)

It is possible.

If a person has caused you harm and that person has not fully repented of that sin, he or she may be made to see the consequences of that sin in order to be made to feel totally and truly sorry for that sin.

Purgatory is not so much a place, but a process by which our souls are made perfect in preparation for an eternity in Heaven.

2008-10-31 08:42:36 by michelle e