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Catholic people say that “Pope John Paul II actually publicly asked God to forgive the Catholic Church of all the sins committed against other human beings.” Do they not know that he is the same Pope who accepted evolution to be part of gospel truth, even though the book of Genesis says that God created man? He is also the same Pope who gathered 160 leaders of the world’s 12 major religions. Do they know what religions these were? They where not Christian religious leaders. They where Snake Worshipers, Fire Worshipers, Sprites, Animist, Muslins, Hindus, Buddhist, North American Witch Doctors; and John Paul II said on that day “we are all praying to the same god, our prayers are creating a spiritual energy bring about a new climate for peace.” On that day the Pope kissed the Muslim Koran, (a book that denies Jesus as the Son of God,) He allowed his friend the Dalai Lama to replace the cross with a statue of Buddha on the alter of St. Peters Church in Assisi, and for the Dalai Lama and
his monks to perform their Buddhist worship there. The Pope even received the mark of Shiva on his forehead, Shiva is the Hindu god who is called the lord of death, according to the satanic bible Shiva is another word for Satan. Now most of these pagan leaders want to come under the authority of the Pope who is a leader of the ecumenical movement which promotes One World Religion; don’t they know what the bible says about One World Religion? Its ruler will be the anti-Christ and those who follow it have the same mind as the anti-Christ, because they have been deceived by Satan. Don’t they know what God says about praying to Mother Mary who is referred to as the Queen of Heaven? Jeremiah 7:17-18 say: “Do you not see what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? The sons gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven and to pour out drink offerings to other gods, that they may provoke Me to anger.” (God
says that it provokes Him to anger.) Now I don’t know about them, but I wouldn’t want to be one that provoked God to anger, would you?

No I certainly would not. thank you for that I was not aware of all the pope has been up to as I do not follow him but maybe we should watch more carefully.

2007-09-29 13:03:12 by

Live Stations of the Cross Performance at St. John Vianney Catholic Church in Sedona, Arizona

1. OF ALL THE HUMAN TRADITIONS taught and practiced by the Roman Catholic Church, which are contrary to the Bible, the most ancient are the prayers for the dead and the sign of the Cross. Both began 300 years after Christ ... 310AD.

2. Wax Candles introduced in church about 320AD.

3. Veneration of angles and dead saints about 375

4. The Mass, as a daily celebration, adopted 394AD.

5. The worship of Mary, the mother of Jesus, and the use of the term, 'Mother of God', as applied to her, originated in the Council of Ephesus in .... 431AD.

6. Priests began to dress differently from the laity in 500AD.

7. The doctrine of Purgatory was first established by Gregory the Great about the year 593AD.

8. The Latin language, as the language of prayer and worship in churches, was also imposed by Pope Gregory I. 600 years after Christ ...600AD. The Word of god forbids praying and teaching in an unknown tongue. (1Cor.14:9).

9. The Bible teaches that we pray to God alone. In the primitive church never were prayers directed to Mary, or to dead saints. This practice began in the Roman Church about 600AD. (Matt. 11:28; Luke 1:46; Acts 10:25-26; 14:14-18)

10. The Papacy is of pagan origin. The title of pope or universal bishop, was first given to the bishop of Rome by the wicked emperor Phocas, in the year 610AD. This he did to spite Bishop Ciriacus of Constantinople, who had justly excommunicated him for his having caused the assassination of his predecessor emperor Mauritius. Gregory I, then bishop of Rome, refused the title, but his, successor, Boniface III, first assumed title "Pope." Jesus did not appoint Peter to the headship of the apostles and forbade any such notion. (Lk. 22:24-26;Eph.1:22-23;Col.1:18;lCor.3:11).Note:-Nor is there any mention in Scripture, nor in history, that Peter ever was in Rome, much less that he was pope there for 25 years; Clement, 3rd bishop of Rome, remarks that there is no real lst century evidence that Peter ever was in Rome."

11. The kissing of the Pope's feet began in 709AD. It had been a pagan custom to kiss the feet of emperors. The Word of God forbids such practices. (Read Acts 10:25-26; Rev. 19: 1 0; 22:9).

12. The Temporal power of the Popes began 750AD. When Pepin, the usurper of the throne of France, descended into Italy, called by Pope Stephen II, to war against the Italian Lombards, he defeated them and gave the city of Rome and surrounding territory to the pope. Jesus expressly forbade such a thing, and He himself refused worldly kingship. (Read Matt 4:8-9; 20:25-26; John 18:38).

13. Worship of cross, of images and relics was authorized in 788AD. This was by order of Dowager Empress Irene of Constantinople, who first caused to pluck the eyes of her own son, Constantine VI, and then called a church council at the request of Hadrian I, pope of Rome at that time.

14. Holy Water, mixed with a pinch of salt and blessed by the priest, was authorized in 850AD.

15. The veneration of St. Joseph began in 890AD.

16. The baptism of bells was instituted by Pope John XIV, in the year 965AD.

17. Canonization of dead saints, first by Pope John XV in 995AD. Every believer and follower of Christ is called saint in the Bible. (Read Rom, 1:7; I Cor. 1:2).

18. Fasting on Fridays and during Lent were imposed in the year 998AD.

Imposed by popes said to be interested in the commerce of fish. (Bull, or permit to eat meat), some authorities say, began in the year 7OOAD. This is against the plain teaching of the bible. (Read Matt.15:10 1Cor. 10:25; 1Tim.4:1-3).

19. The Mass was developed gradually as a sacrifice; attendance made obligatory in the 11th century. The Bible teaches that the sacrifice of Christ was offered once and for all, and not to be repeated, but only commerated in the Lord's Supper. (Read Heb.7:27; 9:26-28; 10: I 0- 14).

20. The celibacy of the priesthood was decreed by Pope Hildebrand, Boniface VII, in the year 1079AD. Jesus imposed no such rule, nor did any of the apostles. On the contrary, St. Peter was a married man, and St. Paul says that bishops were to have wife and children. (Read 1st Tim. 3:2,5, and 12: Matt 8:14-15).

21. The Rosary, or prayer beads was introduced by Peter the Hermit, in the year 1090AD. Copied from Hindus and Mohammedans 1090AD. The counting of prayers is a pagan practice and is expressly condemned by Christ (Matt 6:5-13).

22. The Inquisition of heretics was instituted by the Council of Verona in the year 1184. Jesus never taught the use of force to spread His religion ...1184AD.

23. The sale of Indulgence, commonly regarded as a purchase of forgiveness and a permit to indulge in sin, began in the year 1190AD. Christianity, as taught in the Bible, condemns such a traffic, and it was the protest against this traffic that brought on the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century.

24. The dogma of Transubstantiation was decreed by Pope Innocent III, in the year 1215AD. By this doctrine the priest pretends to perform a daily miracle by changing a wafer into the body of Christ, and then he pretends to eat Him alive in the presence of his people during Mass. The Bible condemns such absurdities; for the Lords Supper is simply a memorial of the sacrifice of Christ. The spiritual presence of Christ is implied in the Lord's Supper is simply a memorial of the sacrifice of Christ. The spiritual presence of Christ is implied in the Lord's Supper. (Read Luke 22:19-20; John 6:35; I Cor. 11:26).

25. Confession of sins to the priest at least once a year was instituted by Pope Innocent III, in the Lateran Council, in the year 1215AD. The Bible commands us to confess our sins direct to God. (Read Psalm. 51: 1 - 10; Luke 7:48; 15:21; John 1:8-9). 26. The adoration of the wafer (Host), was decreed by Pope Honorius in the year in 1220AD. So the Roman Church worships a God made by human hands. This is plain idolatry and absolutely contrary to the spirit of the Gospel. (Read John 4:24).

27. The Bible forbidden to laymen and placed in the Index of forbidden books by the Council of Valencia in 1229AD. Jesus commanded that the Scriptures should be read by all. (John5:39: lTim.3:15-17).

28. The Scapular was invented by Simon Stock, an English monk, in the year ... 1287AD. It is a piece of brown cloth, with the picture of the Virgin and supposed to contain supernatural virtue to protect from all dangers those who wear it on naked skin. It is fetishism.

29. The Roman Church forbade the cup to the laity, by instituting the communion of one kind in the Council of Constance n 1414AD. The Bible commands us to celebrate the Lord's Supper with unleavened bread and the fruit of the vine. (Read Matt. 26:27; I Cor. 11:26-29).

30. The doctrine of Purgatory was proclaimed as a dogma of faith by Council of Florence in 1439AD. There is not one word in the Bible that would teach the purgatory of priests. The blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth us from all sins. (Read I John 1:7-9; 2:1-2; John 5:24; Rom. 8: 1).

31. The doctrine of 7 Sacraments affirmed in 1439AD. The Bible says that Christ instituted only two ordinances, Baptism and the Lord's Supper. (Read Matt. 28:19-20; 26:26-28).

32. The Ave Maria, part of the last half in 1508AD. It was completed 50 years afterward and finally approved by Pope Sixths V, at the end of the 16th century.

33. The Council of Trent, held in the year 1545, declared that Tradition is of equal authority with the Bible 1545AD. By tradition is meant human teachings. The Pharisees believed the same way, and Jesus bitterly condemned them, for by teaching human tradition, they nullified the commandments of God. (Read Mark 7:7-13; Col. 2:8; Rev. 22:18).

34. The apocryphal books were added to the Bible also by the Council of Trent in 1546 These books were not recognized as canonical by the Jewish Church. (See Rev. 22:8-9).

35. The Creed of Pope Pius IV was imposed as the official creed 1560 years after Christ and the apostles, in 1560AD. True Christians retain the Holy Scriptures as their creed. Hence their creed is 1500 years older than the creed of Roman Catholics. (Read Gal. 1:8).

36. The Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary was proclaimed by Pope Pius IX in the year 1854AD. The Bible states that all men, with the sole exception of Christ, are sinners. Mary herself had need of a Savior. (Read Rom. 3:23; 5:12; Psalm. 51:5; Luke 1:30,46,47).

37. In the year 1870 after Christ, Pope Pius IX proclaimed the dogma of Papal Infallibility 1870AD. This is a blasphemy and the sign of the apostasy and of the antichrist predicted by St. Paul. (Read II These. 2:2-12; Rev. 17:1-9; 13:5-8,18). Many Bible students see the number of the beast (Rev. 13:18). 666 in the Roman letters of the Pope's title: "VICARIVS FILLII DEI." -V.5, I-1; C-100, l-l: v-5, 1-1; L-50, 1-1; 1-1-Total, 666.

38. Pope Pius X, in the year 1907, condemned together with 'Modernish", all the discoveries of modern science which are not approved by the Church... 1907AD. Pius IX had done the same thing in the Syllabus of 1864.

39. In the year 1930 Pius XI, condemned the Public Schools ... 1930AD.

40. In the year 1931 the same pope Pius XI, reaffirmed the doctrine that Mary is "the Mother of God.... 1931AD. This doctrine was first invented by the Council of Ephesus in the year 431AD. . This is a heresy contrary by Mary's own words. (Read Luke 1:46-49; John 2:1-5).

41. In the year 1950 the last dogma was proclaimed by Pope Pius XII, the Assumption of the Virgin Mary ....1950AD
Kerri, another user asked me why i reject catholic teachings. I couldn't remember who it was, so I just put it out for everybody. You're correct, it's long!
Tur b and yeow...my point, or at least part of it, is that doctrinally the RC church is lost and wandering. The list I posted is not all encompassing. There's much, much more.
The doctrines Christ taught, and the distorted money-making schemes the RC church turned them into are miles apart.
The veneration of mary is heresy. The confessional booth is heresy. There is one God, and one mediator between man and God; the man Christ Jesus.
What more needs to be said?
The papacy is illegitimate. See point 10.
We can take the popes one by one and critique them and thier pronouncements if you like, but somehow I don't think you want to go there.
tiger lily, i didn't say you worshipped mary. i used the term venerate. even a protestant understands the difference. it's still heresy.

Apparently you are not catholic because you believe in the word of the one true God.

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2007-08-29 20:47:10 by Graham

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Sun Jun 28, 5:30 pm ET
ROME – The first-ever scientific tests on what are believed to be the remains of the Apostle Paul "seem to conclude" that they do indeed belong to the Roman Catholic saint, Pope Benedict XVI said Sunday.

Archaeologists recently unearthed and opened the white marble sarcophagus located under the Basilica of St. Paul's Outside the Walls in Rome, which for some 2,000 years has been believed by the faithful to be the tomb of St. Paul.

Benedict said scientists had conducted carbon dating tests on bone fragments found inside the sarcophagus and confirmed that they date from the first or second century.

"This seems to confirm the unanimous and uncontested tradition that they are the mortal remains of the Apostle Paul," Benedict said, announcing the findings at a service in the basilica to mark the end of the Vatican's Paoline year, in honor of the apostle.

Paul and Peter are the two main figures known for spreading the Christian faith after the death of Christ.

According to tradition, St. Paul, also known as the apostle of the Gentiles, was beheaded in Rome in the 1st century during the persecution of early Christians by Roman emperors. Popular belief holds that bone fragments from his head are in another Rome basilica, St. John Lateran, with his other remains inside the sarcophagus.

The pope said that when archaeologists opened the sarcophagus, they discovered alongside the bone fragments some grains of incense, a "precious" piece of purple linen with gold sequins and a blue fabric with linen filaments.

Vatican archaeologists in 2002 began excavating the 8-foot-long coffin, which dates from at least A.D. 390 and was buried under the basilica's main altar. The decision to unearth it was made after pilgrims who came to Rome during the Roman Catholic Church's 2000 Jubilee year expressed disappointment at finding that the saint's tomb — buried under layers of plaster and further hidden by an iron grate — could not be visited or touched.

The top of the coffin has small openings — subsequently covered with mortar — because in ancient times Christians would insert offerings or try to touch the remains.

The basilica stands at the site of two 4th-century churches — including one destroyed by a fire in 1823 that had left the tomb visible, first above ground and later in a crypt. After the fire, the crypt was filled with earth and covered by a new altar. A slab of cracked marble with the words "Paul apostle martyr" in Latin was also found embedded in the floor above the tomb.

Monday is the feast of Saints Peter and Paul, a major feast day for the Roman Catholic Church, during which the pope will bestow a woolen pallium, or scarf, on all the new archbishops he has recently named. The pallium is a band of white wool decorated with black crosses that is a sign of pastoral authority and a symbol of the archbishops' bond with the pope.

At the end of Sunday's service in the warm basilica, the 82-year-old Benedict lost his balance slightly as he slipped on a step on the altar, and was steadied by one of his assistants who was by his side.

Careful now. Don't get so hepped up over something with so little validity!

The big question here is, what proof is there that these are the bones of St Paul? The alleged bone from his beheading? At that time myriads of executions were conducted in Rome, and it is a known fact that there are more ancient bones still buried under the soil of Rome today than salt in the oceans.

Because the Church was, in those days, good at creating fallacies, it is highly probable that the poor soul that was executed was afterward put into a tomb and later the early Church extracted the bone from the tomb to serve in adulation ceremonies.

Then again, if he was executed by the reigning powers of that time (during the reign of Pagan emperors), why would they have placed the body in a tomb. They wouldn't have. Bodies of enemies of the state (or rulers) were interred in the nearest dump.

Remember, there are enough slivers of wood, which the Church claimed to be from the cucifix on which Christ was crucified, to create entire forests of trees. The same for slivers of bones from saints. It would have been no problem for them to have created yet another chimera. They had a good thing, in the form of a money-making and power-grabbing device, in this churchianity business. Anyone posing a threat would have been eliminated, and any fallacy needed would have been manufactured to keep it going.

The Catholic Church, a truly noble world leader for the best interests of humanity in the modern world (especially since Vatican II), was, in its early days,
the biggest counterfeitter and deceiver extant.
They were always creating false documents that would, they had hoped, affirm to the world, their teachings. One time they slipped up and entered stuff about the Trinity into some historical documents (I believe by Josephus.) The only problem was the concept of the Trinity did not exist at the time that Josephus was writing of. These fallacies were numerous and the Church often later admitted that they were counterfeit.

In the 1960s, archaeologists dug and searched for the bones of St. Peter, alledged to be buried under the altar of the Basilica. They dug, found, and the results were not announced to the world but were ignored in the hopes of their being forgotten. What the archs. found were bones allright --- bones of cattle, pigs, sheep, goats, chickens --- i.e., the bones of someone's meals from long ago.

2009-06-29 08:40:43 by Lord Sesshomaru Atheati Warlord

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German philosopher Edith Stein (1891-1942) was a leading proponent of the phenomenological school of thought led by Edmund Husserl in the first half of the twentieth century. In her writings, Stein attempted to reconcile phenomenology with her Catholic beliefs in works on Thomas Aquinas, St. John of the Cross, and the topic of women in the Church. A Jew by birth who converted to Catholicism, she was killed in a Nazi concentration camp as a Jew and beatified as a Catholic martyr in 1987. She is considered a martyr by both Jews and Catholics for her death in the concentration camps of the Nazi regime during World War II. She is also listed in The Central Database of Shoah Victims' Names by Yad Vashem.
In 1942, the Nazis began removing Jews from the Netherlands, and Stein urgently applied for a Swiss visa in order to transfer to a convent in Switzerland. Her sister was unable to arrange similar travel arrangements, however, and Stein refused to leave without her. On August 2, 1942, the sisters were removed from the convent at Echt by Nazi troops and transported to a concentration camp at Amersfoort for a few days before being sent on to the Auchwitz camp in Poland. While nothing is know about their last days or the exact circumstances of their deaths, it is assumed that the women were among the many people killed in the Nazi gas chambers, placed in mass graves on the site, and later cremated.
In 1987, decades after the travesties of the Jewish Holocaust, Stein was beatified by Pope John Paul II, who lauded her as a Catholic martyr and also praised her phenomenological works. This created controversy among Jewish groups, who were upset that she was remembered in this way since the reason she was killed was because she was a Jew, not because she was Catholic. In an apologetic statement, John Paul II acknowledged that her fate was a symbol of the great loss of Jewish life during World War II. This discussion highlighted the difficult, but important place that Stein holds among both Jews and Catholics.
The Martyrdom of Edith Stein or Doing Jewish of Edith Stein?

1)Due to the Anti-Semitism of the the Nazi regime, she had to give up her academic career (although she was able to continue writing and this eventually led to her entrance to Carmel).
2)As a Jewess, she closely identified herself with "her people" -- their suffering were hers too, as we can induce from her words to her sister, Rosa, as she was leaving Echt Carmel: "Come, let us go for the sake of our people". She had previously written a request to her superior to be able to make a self-offering for the sake of her people. Her writings also show her growing understanding of the identification of her fate with that of her people. Her suffering took the form of a moral torture.
3)She endured the inhumane treatment of the Nazi guards, the overpowering feeling of hopelessness in the concentration camp, the inhuman conditions of the train carts that transported her from Echt to Westerbork, and finally to Auschwitz-Birkenau. She underwent the humiliating "physical examinations" in the camp. Finally she was killed in the gas chambers of Auschwitz-Birkenau with her fellow Jews and buried in the mass grave along with her fellow Jews.
Yad Vashem, the Holocaust Martyrs' and Heroes' Remembrance Authority, was established in 1953 by an act of the Israeli Knesset. Since its inception, Yad Vashem has been entrusted with documenting the history of the Jewish people during the Holocaust period, preserving the memory and story of each of the six million victims, and imparting the legacy of the Holocaust for generations to come through its archives, library, school, museums and recognition of the Righteous Among the Nations.
Edith Stein is listed as a Jew who died during the Holocaust as a Jew. Non-Jews and apostate Jews are not listed, she is not listed as Jewish/Catholic, Hebrew/Christian, or a Apostate Jew but a Jew.
http://www.yadvashem.org/wps/PA_1_0_12D/ sample/IdeaApi/html/zoom_image.jsp

Wonderful Question Sara,
As one who old enough to remember this period of our history, I found you question very interesting. Edith was born Jewish, but then when of age got into athiestism, and finally to becoming a Catholic. She was someone who was on a very spiritual journey, searching for answers. Many of my fellow Jews will say she was a apostate Jew, and many will say Catholic, personally if you look at what she did that I personally believe in her heart she was Jewish to the very end. Somewhat like Esther, she stood her ground even as a nun to reach out to her people, and never forgot who she was, she even took to herself on sabbath, then when Germany started their quest to rid the world of the Jewish people, she made atleast 2 known attempts to see the then pope to beg for her people, for the church to do something to save them, she was denied both times when she pushed to see the pope while she in Rome, finally she order out of the netherlands to safety, and she refused to go witout her sister, then instead she reminded her sister of their people and returned and ended up being murdered in the gas chambers. To me personally she to upon herself the horror of what was happeneing to her people and knowing she would die choose to die with her people and as a Jew. The sad thing is many have tried to in someway let the Nazi's define who is Jewish and they don't have that right, Our G-d defines who we are! To me personally she and according to our Law she was Jewish, however that is were some Jewish people will spilt hairs, and to kate here is your answer about doing Jewish, to me personally Edith in the end was Jewish to the very end by her actions, and that is how Yad Vashem i am thinking sees her as they don't list her as a nonjew or gentile,or christian, but as a Jew period, I believe when she made her choice to go to her people rather than safety she at that moment returned to being Jewish, it is recorded when she was asked who she was like Esther proudly proclaimed she was Jewish and made no attempt to alter that. Even as you showed Pope John Paul II even acknowledged that her fate was a symbol of the great loss of Jewish life during World War II. So in the end to me she was born Jewish and died as a Jew, not as a catholic nun, for only G-d could have placed the burden of her people so heavy on her heart to have returned to them. So to Kate theres your answer, also I have many friends who lost loved ones and to us no one who was born Jewish and had convert to another faith, or as you say messiancs would we see as anything other then a fellow Jew who was murdered by the Nazi's because of the way they were murdered, only G-d knows what was in their heart or what was said in their last moments of life therefore it is not ours to judge it is our G-ds, but I believe they should be honored as Jews as they born Jewish and perished as Jews and to say otherwise to me dishonors them and their families. Shalom Everyone

Just a old Jewish womans thoughts

2008-07-15 17:27:12 by Sara

A friend recently borrowed me a couple of books written by catholic saints during the Catholic Reformation, such as St. Teresa of Avila, St. Frances de Sales, St. Ignatius of Loyola, St. John of the Cross, and Lorenzo Scuopoli. The books are about devoting ones life to God, and talk a lot about your personal relationship with Jesus, especially in the "Autobiography of St. Teresa of Jesus" Teresa writes very beautiful things about the Lord, and the ways she talks about him brings tears to my eyes. The problem is that some of the passages have statements defending the catholic church, and sort of attacking protestantism, but with tact may I add. Not to mention some things that are written like relying on the Eucharist (being the real body and blood of Jesus), and asking saints to pray for them, which my church would consider heretical.

My question is: is it wrong to read the books if they have contain some unorthodox teachings, even if they have strengthened my relationship with the
Lord?

I also like to mention that the writers quote the bible often.
I'm addressing this to Protestants, because I myself am Protestant.

The root word of protestant is "protest." Of course they'll think its wrong. They'll probably picket.

2008-05-31 15:21:59 by carib chicka <33