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Ok, here is my problem. So many protestants out there claim they are the ones who follow the Bible. This simply cannot be. The Bible call the Church a light on the hill a VISIBLE organization of people. The Bible says the Church is the bride of Christ. Christ can have but one bride. The Bible says that we must hold fast to tradition, yet many protestants reject Tradition. In 101AD St. Ignatius of Antioch, a disciple of Polycarp, who was a Disciple of John The Evangelist said that we are all called to follow the "One,Catholic Church." This man actually edited the Gospel of John and if you try to discount his Catholic comment, you discount the Bible.

They never call me. They say the will but they never do.

2006-10-30 05:20:03 by maguirebaseball

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The traditional idea of the trinity is the belief that Jesus Christ (God the Son), God the Father, and God the Holy Spirit are co-equal, and together fulfill the Godhead divinity of Christianity. My mind tells me that you can be a Christian without the belief in the trinity, because it is a concept, ad it is a personal relationship between you and Christ, thus it is not our place to tell you what to believe about him as long as you accept him as your personal savior. My heart tells me though...no....The apostles, the gospels, and the early church fathers clearly accept Christs divinity to the level of God the Father. John 1:1, Phillippians 2:8, and in other places where Jesus is referenced as Lord and God...the human manifestation of God, so to speak. The Holy Spirit is often referred to as the Spirit of God. Christ also speaks of before Abraham was, "I am." Now...many will quote verses like Jesus saying "the father is greater than I," and the fact that he prayed to God, shows inferiority...but the original thought, is God taking a lower form, temporarily, to show Humanity how to live...yet Christ in his most divine form is fully God, and as Phillipians says, it is not a thing to be comprehended. After all, in Christendom, he is the final judge of the world. It is complex, and can easily be interpreted or denied...yet this has been CHristian thought since the 1rst century, and confirmed through the ORIGINAL Nicene Creed, that hasn't changed in 17 centurie. It seems it wasn't theologically questioned on a mass level until the age of restorationists who claim all of Christianity got it wrong, and "restored the church." I'm not speaking of the schisms of the Roman Catholics. I'm speaking more from the perspective of the ancient Orthodox Church. In the end, John the Evangelist, St. Augustine, Justin Martyr, John Chrystendom, Eucebius, Iranius, and the apostles accepted the God head. It's like aruing existentialism. We can argue and debate whether we exist or not, but at the end of the day, if I kick you in the nuts and tell you it's a figment of your imagination, you're going to be pretty pissed off....likewise, CHristianity in it's most pure and original form accepted the divinity of Christ, and the Triune God. ANy thoughts?

I believe it is a fatal error to believe the Trinity.



Amazing as it may sound according to the Church Fathers it took God one hundred years to reveal the first two trinities. This took place between 200 AD and 300 AD. For anyone who knows how spiritual revelation works one would automatically know something is fundamentally wrong with the trinity concept because it does not take God one hundred years to reveal anything.

The word trinity means triune and three. In the so called trinity Christian religious world the concept of a trinity of the godhead means three persons who make up the godhead. The idea of three persons in a godhead was not new when the Christian trinity concept was first developed in the Christian religious world by the early Church Fathers. The concept of a trinity godhead system goes back to the first city nation called Babylon. The timing of original development of the first religious trinity system would be between four and five thousand years ago. This took place during the time of Nimrod and Semiramis. In this first pagan trinity Nimrod the king was the first person, Semiramis his Queen was the second person, and Tammuz their son was the third person, of this godhead system. In this system Semiramis was also declared to be the Queen Mother of Heaven and earth, and the goddess of love sex and fertility. This original pagan trinity system was based on the following characteristics:
A three person godhead.
A woman known as the Queen Mother as a part of the godhead system.
Astrology-Mystery as key parts of the religious system. Human-animal sacrifice.
Mystical practices which evolved into witchcraft.
Temple prostitution.
Hidden knowledge only revealed to the priesthood or those with the proper education.

After the flood and then the scattering from the tower of Babel, the earth was in a repopulation process by pagan trinity believers initially from Babylon. As the original Babylonians scattered across the face of the earth from the tower occurrence, they took their religious system with them even thought they expressed their religious system in their new languages. Even in their new languages the general characteristics of the trinity system remained the same.

Over the many following centuries after the scattering from the tower this Babylonian pagan religious system mutated through evolution, was modified many different ways, sectioned off into splinter groups which developed into new movements, and systems of religion. This process of never ending change and modification in the original Babylonian trinity system has been going on even down to today. This system eventually infected the Christian religious world and is spoken of in hidden detail in Revelation chapters seventeen and eighteen.

It should also be noted, with several thousand years of the indoctrination for mankind to the concept of a three person godhead religious system, the RELIGIOUS gentiles of the world have been fully convinced there are three persons and there is a trinity. This was also the situation when God first called Abraham at Ur and revealed to him there was only one God and not three or more.

Once the pagan trinity system was firmly established in the minds of most religious gentiles in the world, God then did something rather amazing to illustrate his nature of being one. He called Abraham and his seed to follow him and only him. From Abraham to Moses God raised up a ONE GOD people known as the Nation of Israel. They were different from all religious systems around them because they did not worship three or more, they worshiped only ONE. This is stated clearly in the Shamah of Deut 6:4-5.

Deut 6:4-5:
4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: 5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Form Abraham forward in time the Jews practiced their monotheistic ONE GOD religion in the middle of a three person god head pagan religious world. During these years until the coming of Jesus Christ, the Nation of Israel was constantly tempted by their trinity neighbors to convert to several pagan religious systems. As history shows the Nation of Israel and later Judah, when faithful to their ONE GOD religion were blessed of God. Anytime they adopted any of the pagan trinity systems around them they were cursed of God and fell to destruction. The Jews of the promised land were not cured of their backsliding from their ONE GOD religion until the first destruction of the temple, and the seventy years of captivity which followed.

Once the remnant of Judah returned to Jerusalem from Babylon and rebuilt the temple and the city, the seed of Abraham dwelling in the promised land remained fairly successful in remaining faithful to their monotheistic ONE GOD religion up until the last twenty five years of the twentieth century. Even during the occupations of the Greek and Roman empires the promised land Jews were very successful in not backsliding either to the Greek or Roman mythology trinity religious systems which ruled over them.

Amazing as it may sound we now find at the end of the twentieth century a very small portion of the Jewish population of the world has now returned to the three god trinity religious world in worship and belief. They call themselves the Messianic Jewish Christian movement. These people are believers in God, the Holy Spirit, and Jesus Christ as the three separate persons in the Christian godhead. They follow and believe the theory of the Western trinity as do most Protestants and which means they are Roman Catholic at the core. Needles to say their salvation plan is not as the Apostles taught but they follow the plan of salvation developed by the Reformers under Martin Luther. How the development of the trinity Christian religious world took place follows a little later in this report.

After Jerusalem was rebuilt along with its second temple being dedicated to the one true God, the nation of Israel was concurred by the Greek Empire of Alexander the Great, then the Romans of the Roman Empire. It was during the occupation of the Roman Empire the first appearance of God being MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH of Jesus Christ took place. Why this event took place at this time in history we do not know. We do know with the manifestation and birth of Jesus Christ as the son of God and God being made visible in human form the introduction of a New Covenant to replace the Old Covenant and the Law of Moses was ushered in. In the old covenant only Jews of the seed of Abraham could be saved by believing and obeying the Old Covenant commandments. In the New Covenant beginning in Acts 2, anyone could be saved by believing and obeying ALL the New Covenant commandments. These New Covenant commandments were given to the original Apostles by Jesus during his time of ministry on this earth and later they were revealed to the Apostle Paul after his conversion in Damascus.

The early Apostolic church believed Jesus Christ was the express image of the invisible God and he was both fully man and fully God. To the early Apostolic Christians Jesus Christ was never the second person of the godhead, HE WAS THE ONLY PERSON OF THE GODHEAD.


Isa 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name (Jesus Christ) shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

2010-03-17 13:19:42 by Sean

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Sacred Tradition must be believed as firmly as the Bible because it also contains the Word of God.

Several years passed before the Gospels were written down. In the meantime, Christians had to depend on Tradition solely: Tradition is older than the New Testament.

When the books composing the New Testament were written, the various writers had some definite and immediate purpose in mind. For example, St. Paul wrote his Epistles to the various churches of Gentiles that he had converted, to remind them of his teachings in his absence. St. Luke wrote his Gospel for the citizen of Rome, Theophilus, to instruct him in the new religion. St. John's Gospel was to combat heresies denying the divinity of Christ.

If the Church teaches any doctrine that cannot be found in Holy Scripture, it will be found in Tradition, and therefore traceable to the Apostles.

Those who follow up the course of a river gradually draw near the source, and discover whence the waters flow. In the same way we can trace the historical sources of the teachings of the Church and arrive at their source: the Apostles themselves.

Divine Tradition teaches us all the doctrines that were taught by the Apostles. It comes to us from the Apostles. Every single doctrine the Church teaches comes direct from the Apostles. The Church does not issue new doctrines.

The four Evangelists wrote their relations of the life and teachings of Jesus Christ in widely separated places; it is a proof of authenticity that the Gospels agree in their essentials, and often even repeat the very same words. When the writers of the New Testament did begin to write, they did not intend to set down all the details of Catholic faith and practice, but only such points as were immediately interesting or that needed clarification.

Because Protestants just don't get it.

2009-11-03 18:17:33 by Al the traditional Catholic