catholic angels

Ok I saw Angels and Demons and I just want to know. Is the Catholic church really like that? Because the movie had a lot of history of the church and they have a crappy past. Also in Rome do statues and things really point to stuff like that?

NOPE.

Dan Brown takes events from multiple centuries and portrays them as happening all at once. He takes statues which were not even there at the time he proposes, built by the people he says sculpted them, and in many cases, pointing in the wrong direction, coupled with some of his own conjecture and fiction and weaves ALL of that into a story that to some, seems plausible.

Discovery channel, who is by no means "pro-catholic" did a great show on debunking it. I only caught the last 6 minutes of it and in those 6 minutes they debunked just about EVERYTHING in the movie.

Galileo was not part of the illuminati, it didn't exist during his time.
Some of the statues point in the wrong direction.
The Obalisk wasn't in the center of the courtyard until like the 19th century or something like that.
AND the Catholic church doesn't try to repress science. Never did. In the past it tried to repress heresy and errors, which it thought certain scientific principles WERE, but it is not like it tried to repress what it knew to be true or something.

If you listen to Dan Brown, the author of those books, he waffles back and forth between claiming the books are pure fiction, to trying to say they "provoke honest dialogue" or are "thought provoking" If that were the case, he wouldn't mix fact and fiction and confuse the hell out of everyone.

The facts are that the Catholic church is the largest non-governmental provider of health care, education and relief aid in the world.
It runs Universities that have Medical programs.
It runs over 600 hospitals in the US alone, all of which use science.
It protected a lot of human knowledge from being destroyed during dark ages.
St. Isadore of Spain, a Catholic Priest, was responsible for creating hundreds of libraries throughout Spain and France.
The Father of modern Genetics is Gregory Mendel.. a Catholic Priest
The first person to use Hubble's work to propose the "big bang" theory, was a Catholic priest by the name of Lemaitre (although Hoyle coined the term)
It was the FIRST Christian denomination to openly say that Evolution was a valid theory to explain the creation of life on this planet, though it doesn't say it is the only theory, it doesn't contradict the belief in God.

PLEASE don't get your information about Catholicism from Dan Brown's books or anyone who references him. Dan Brown himself, says it is a work of fiction. Non-Catholic historians pick both his movies apart to pieces.

IF you shouldn't get your knowledge of physics from the movies...nor should you get your knowledge of Catholicism from Angels and Demons or The Davinci Code

2009-05-20 13:22:42 by UCLA kid, Go BRUINS!!!

Angels are messengers of God in the,New Testament.The term quot;angelquot; has also been expanded to various notions of quot;spiritual beings ...

I need a passage for the bible that explains the choirs of angels - that has relevence or speaks of them with music

The heirarchy of angels is believed to work like this:

First Sphere
• Seraphim (Isaiah 6:1-7)
• Cherubim (see below)
• Thrones (or Ophanim) (Colossians 1:16)

Second Sphere
• Dominions (Colossians 1:16)
• Virtues (1 Peter 3:22)
• Powers (Colossians 1:16, 1 Peter 3:22)

Third Sphere
• Principalities (Colossians 1:16)
• Archangels (1 Thessalonians 4:16, Jude 9)
• Angels (over 200 verses)

The Cherubim:
• Genesis 3:24,
• Exodus 25:18-22, 26:1, 31, 36:8, 35, 37:7-9
• Numbers 7:89
• 1 Samual 4:4
• 2 Samuel 6:2, 22:11
• 1 Kings 6:23-35, 7:29, 36, 8:6-7
• 2 Kings 19:15
• 1 Chronicles 13:6, 28:18
• 2 Chronicles 3:7-14, 5:7-8
• Ezra 2:59
• Nehamiah 7:61
• Psalms 18:11, 80:2, 99:1
• Isaiah 37:16
• Ezekial 10:1-20, 11:22, 28:14-16, 41:18-25
• Daniel 3:55
• Hebrews 9:5

"For in him were created all things in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things were created through him and for him." (Colossians 1:16)

Illustration: http://www.flickr.com/photos/indiamos/22 35841178/

The Celestial Hierarchy by Dionysius the Areopagite (about 5th century): http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/areopa gite_13_heavenly_hierarchy.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Coelesti _Hierarchia

With love in Christ.

2008-09-04 13:04:03 by smilenbhappie

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I've become quiet interested in the Catholic belief in angels and would like to know where i can find more information on them. I myself am trying to find out how angels are linked to Catholic theology and how it reflects what they believe.

St. Augustine says: "'Angel' is the name of their office, not of their nature. If you seek the name of their nature, it is ‘spirit'; if you seek the name of their office, it is ‘angel': from what they are, ‘spirit,' from what they do, ‘angel.'"

With their whole beings the angels are servants and messengers of God. Because they "always behold the face of my Father who is in heaven" they are the "mighty ones who do his word, hearkening to the voice of his word."

As purely spiritual creatures angels have intelligence and will: they are personal and immortal creatures, surpassing in perfection all visible creatures, as the splendor of their glory bears witness.

From the Incarnation to the Ascension, the life of the Word incarnate is surrounded by the adoration and service of angels.

When God "brings the firstborn into the world, he says: ‘Let all God's angels worship him.'" (Heb 1:6)

Their song of praise at the birth of Christ has not ceased resounding in the Church's praise: "Glory to God in the highest!" (Lk 2:14)

They protect Jesus in his infancy, serve him in the desert, strengthen him in his agony in the garden, when he could have been saved by them from the hands of his enemies as Israel had been. (Cf. Mt 1:20; 2:13, 19; 4:11; 26:53; Mk 1:13; Lk 22:43; 2 Macc 10:29-30; 11:8)

Again, it is the angels who "evangelize" by proclaiming the Good News of Christ's Incarnation and Resurrection. (Cf. Lk 2:8-14; Mk 16:5-7)

They will be present at Christ's return, which they will announce, to serve at his judgment. (Cf. Acts 1:10-11; Mt 13:41; 24:31; Lk 12:8-9)

Here are a few sites for you:

http://www.tanbooks.com/doct/angels_devi ls.htm
http://www.communityofhopeinc.org/Cathol ic%20Beliefs/beliefs.htm#9%20choires%20o f%20angels
http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1s ect2chpt1art1p5.htm#328

2008-05-21 17:52:51 by fly_high

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The critical role of the Catholic Church in passing national health care reform legislation is coming under serious media scrutiny. But the story has taken a strange turn. It has now been revealed that George Soros, the billionaire hedge fund operator and well-known atheist, has been pouring hundreds of thousands of dollars into "progressive" Catholic groups that are significant players in the national debates over health care and immigration.

On the surface, it would appear that Soros would be opposed to many positions of the Catholic Church.


A major financial backer of the ACLU, Soros supports such causes as drug legalization, the rights of "sex workers" and felons, euthanasia, radical feminism, abortion rights, and homosexual rights. He does all of this in the name of promoting an "open society."

But a review of the records of his Open Society Institute finds that a group calling itself

Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good (CACG) has received $200,000 from them over the last several years.

James Todd of Pewsitter.com, which represents traditional Catholics, calls such groups "CINOs," or Catholics In Name Only. He explains, "This group and several others have sprung up recently-I suspect purposely organized and funded-to counterbalance the growing influence of the faithful Catholics AND to try to deceive and mislead the middle of the road Catholics that have determined the last 13 Presidential elections."

An AIM investigation also finds, however, that Soros money has gone into the Catholic Legal Immigration Network (CLINIC), an organization established by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops back in 1988. It has received at least $530,000 from the Open Society Institute.

The two issues merge in the fact that the Catholic Bishops are demanding that national health care legislation cover illegal aliens.

In a story headlined, "Religious Leaders Seek Healthcare for Illegal Immigrants," the Los Angeles Times recently quoted Kathy Saile, director of domestic social development with the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, as saying that illegal immigrants should be included in any healthcare reform plan. Father Richard Estrada of Our Lady Queen of Angels Catholic Church in Los Angeles was described as being part of a religious service and phone bank "to urge congressional leaders to include illegal immigrants in any healthcare reform plan." His church has in the past offered sanctuary to illegal immigrants.

CACG played a role in House passage of H.R. 3962, the bill known as Pelosicare and boasts that it had joined with the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, the Catholic Health Association, and "dozens of other Catholic and faith-based groups in celebrating this historic vote."

The group's blog even offered a "Health Care Reform Prayer," asking for God's help in passing federal legislation.

John Gehring, CACG media director, told AIM that "We have been primarily focused on highlighting the moral dimensions of this issue and articulating how Catholic social teaching addresses health care as a human right central to a just society. Along with other faith-based groups like PICO National Network, Faith in Public Life, Sojourners and others we brought citizens and faith leaders to Capitol Hill several weeks ago to meet with representatives and they emphasized the urgency for reform and specifically the critical issue of affordability. For example, Fr. Joseph Shad, S.J., a hospital chaplain at Mercy Hospital in Portland, Maine, came to Capitol Hill and met with representatives. He shared stories we have collected from citizens across the country as part of our project, Voices for Health Reform."
http://www.rightsidenews.com/20091112727 4/editorial/atheist-soros-funds-catholic -groups.html

The Catholic Church is just a remnant of times long past. They will accept monies from anyone in order to remain in the public forum. They will also pander to the organizations that "bestow"
them with operating wealth. It would be interesting to learn what Soros's plan is re: the church and his motivation to offer monetary support.

The church is monetarily wealthy. Read about all their vineyards in the chateaus all over the world. Additionally, the church has multiple Holdings in real estate world wide. So perhaps Soros and the current pope and his "henchemen" are working a deal.

2009-11-12 14:51:43 by ANNIE

Could anyone please explain to me the Catholic Church's teachings on Angels? It might be helpful to refer to Scripture and Tradition if you would like. I'm only 15 and i just don't quite fully understand the Catholic Church's teachings on this particular topic. If you could clear that up for me that would be fantastic. Thanks so much!

St. Augustine says: "'Angel' is the name of their office, not of their nature. If you seek the name of their nature, it is ‘spirit'; if you seek the name of their office, it is ‘angel': from what they are, ‘spirit,' from what they do, ‘angel.'"

With their whole beings the angels are servants and messengers of God. Because they "always behold the face of my Father who is in heaven" they are the "mighty ones who do his word, hearkening to the voice of his word."

As purely spiritual creatures angels have intelligence and will: they are personal and immortal creatures, surpassing in perfection all visible creatures, as the splendor of their glory bears witness.

From the Incarnation to the Ascension, the life of the Word incarnate is surrounded by the adoration and service of angels.

When God "brings the firstborn into the world, he says: ‘Let all God's angels worship him.'" (Heb 1:6)

Their song of praise at the birth of Christ has not ceased resounding in the Church's praise: "Glory to God in the highest!" (Lk 2:14)

They protect Jesus in his infancy, serve him in the desert, strengthen him in his agony in the garden, when he could have been saved by them from the hands of his enemies as Israel had been. (Cf. Mt 1:20; 2:13, 19; 4:11; 26:53; Mk 1:13; Lk 22:43; 2 Macc 10:29-30; 11:8)

Again, it is the angels who "evangelize" by proclaiming the Good News of Christ's Incarnation and Resurrection. (Cf. Lk 2:8-14; Mk 16:5-7)

They will be present at Christ's return, which they will announce, to serve at his judgment. (Cf. Acts 1:10-11; Mt 13:41; 24:31; Lk 12:8-9)

For more information, see the Catechism of the Catholic Church, sections 328 and following: http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1s ect2chpt1art1p5.shtml#328

With love in Christ.

2009-10-18 12:28:45 by summer