catholic eucharist

baiscically the question is describe the links between the jewish passover and the catholic eucharist?

please help me
thank you so much :)

There are no similarities between the two.
Christian missionaries and those who want to see Christianity as coming from Judaism, can interpret anything at all in a Christian way. But that does not mean that Christianity developed from whatever they are interpreting.

A Christian might ask, "But weren't the first Christians actually Jews?" Yes, but this is irrelevant. The first Protestants were Roman Catholics. Martin Luther was a Roman Catholic Priest. The Roman Catholics do not consider Protestant Christianity to be merely another form of Roman Catholicism.

Christian missionaries, and this includes the "Jews" For Jesus, the Messianic "Jews," and the "Hebrew" Christians, will go to any length to get even one real Jew to convert. They will take anything that is Jewish and put into it Christian symbolism. Then they will claim that, since they can now find Christian symbolism in it, that it proves that Christianity developed from it, that it was the source of Christian theology, and that the Jews are too stupid to see how Christian theology is what Gd wanted them to see in it, in the first place.

However, this can be done with anything that is not Jewish as well!

One could do the same thing with pizza. Pizza has three basic elements to it, the bread, the tomato sauce, and the cheese. The middle element is the tomato sauce, which is red.

One could easily give a Christian interpretation to these three elements that define pizza:

The three basic ingredients of pizza represent the Christian trinity of the Father, the son and the Holy Spirit.

The bread: Jesus is called the bread of life. The dough is kneaded. This image of kneading the dough is the same as someone being beaten which could represent Jesus being scourged. The dough to make the bread is rolled over with an instrument, which pokes holes in the dough to remove any air before baking. This could be likened to Jesus receiving the holes in his body from the crucifixion, just like they say of the matzah.

The tomato sauce: The sauce is red like Jesus's blood, and it is spread all around the dough like the blood of a sacrifice is put on an altar.

The cheese: The cheese covers the rest, like the death of Jesus covers the sins of the people.

From what you have read above, you can easily see how anything, even pizza, can be used to symbolize Jesus. But does that mean that the symbolism found in pizza indicates The Pizza Roots of Christianity?

2009-03-24 01:07:35 by Tilz.Baybiee

The Consecration Chapter from The Catholic Mass...Revealed!

"It's between me and God, not the Church" is just one of many things my Southern Baptist friend says in regards to the Catholic Eucharist... How do I tell her that when she attends the Easter Sunday Mass that she cannot receive it using terms a Southern Baptist will understand?

If your friend is going to be offended, then she's going to be offended. Just tell her flat-out why she cannot receive the Holy Eucharist at Catholic Mass.

It isn't a matter of being "nice". It's a matter of telling the Truth. There are times that 'telling the Truth' will "upset" the recipient of the Truth. Too bad, tell her anyway.
It doesn't appear as if she's going to listen anyway, so what difference does it make how you tell her?

If she goes and does it anyway, she alone will be held accountable, considering that she's been duly warned by you.

What is this Southern Baptist doing at a Catholic Mass anyway? Do you invite her? Did she invite herself, for some reason?

You might have to go so far as to discourage her from coming to Catholic Mass, if she's not going to obey the rules of the Sacrament.

2010-03-30 19:19:34 by Drew Z

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After Adam and Eve disobeyed God they were not allowed to eat of the Tree of Life in order to keep them from living for eternity in their sin. Catholics and nonCatholics who haven't confessed their sins/are in a state of mortal sin should not partake of the Eucharist lest they damn themselves.

You ask an interesting question (or, should I say, make an interesting point). And I must begin by saying that I don't know the answer with certainty. But let us reason together.

Yes, in the story of the Garden, Adam and Eve were blocked from the Tree of Life, it seems, as a mercy to them so that they wouldn't spend eternity in, well, damnation or separation from God. So man's life comes to an end at some point, and he goes on to Sheol, a place of rest, but not exactly union with God as would later be understood by Christianity.

Jesus reconciles man and God, opening the way that man can once again come into communion with God both in this life and after his death -- eternal life.

The Catholic Church teaches that any person who tries to do what is right in his life and follow God to the best of his ability has hope of heaven. It is clear that those who accept Christ and follow him have hope of eternity with God, and those who knowingly reject Christ do not. It isn't precisely clear what happens to those who never have a genuine opportunity to understand and accept Christ and who fail to live a virtuous life, or exactly what happens to those souls that reject Christ.

And, yes, to be in "mortal" sin means that one has done something, or many things, in his life that have separated him from God. This separation follows us after death. What we don't know is exactly what that means. Does the soul live on forever in wretched anguish? Is it destroyed? Does it just die? We just don't know the answers to these things, and I am hesitant to speculate.

My guess is that those who receive Christ and follow him are, in a way, participating in the same idea as the tree of life. Catholicism teaches that it is, in fact, Christ's life within us that makes us capable of existing and participating in heaven. Someone who has committed a mortal sin has snuffed out that life. I think that only God knows the answer to your question... and perhaps those who have gone before us.

A couple clarifications on your statement:

1. Catholics are only required to confess MORTAL sins prior to receiving the Eucharist. The church believes that lesser (venial) sins are forgiven in the Mass and reception (and are generally confessed at the beginning of Mass, anyway). There is nothing wrong with going to confession for venial sins only, but it isn't required.

2. Non-catholics shouldn't receive the Eucharist at all, nor can they actually participate in the Sacrament of Penance.

3. There are several instances where it is allowed to receive the Eucharist when one has a mortal/serious sin in his life. One should try to avoid these situations, but there are cases.

There is some debate about what someone actually receives if he partakes of the Eucharist but is a non-Catholic or in a state of mortal sin. We have to be in the proper state (of grace) to actually receive grace from a Sacrament, and it is a Bad Thing to participate in a sacrament for the wrong reasons, without proper belief, or when you know yourself to lack the proper state of grace.

However, whether this would condemn one to an eternal life of anguish -- "damn themselves" -- is a question that is well beyond my pay grade.

One thing that I do believe is that all sins are forgivable if we seek forgiveness.

2009-11-15 07:55:11 by Omfg

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Thanks for your help. Please give scriptural references.

NOWHERE IS EUCHARIST IN THE GREEK SEPTUAGINT BIBLIOS OF THE FIRST TESTAMENT IS "EUCHARIST " USED

REFERENCES TO THANKSGIVING OF THE EUCHARIST
CELEBRATION

WE REMEMBER JESUS IN COMMUNION
HOWEVER WE REMEMBER CHRST AS JESUS SAID
THIS IS MY BLOOD
In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."
REMEMBER ME ..
1 Corinthians 11:24-25 (New International Version)
24and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me." 25In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me."
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea rch=1%20Corinthians%2011:24-25&versi on=31;

TRANSUBSTANTIATION MUST BE A SACRIFICE FOR RCS
THIS MUST BE A LATIN ? WORD THAT RCS CAME UP THIS

HOWEVER THE RC CALL THIS SOME EUCHARISTIC PROCEDUCETRANSUBSTANTIATION
THEY WERE PRESENT WITH THE LORD AND CONSUMING BODY AND BLOOD>..
THUS IT MAY BE A SACRIFICE THEN FOR RCS
NOT IN THE BIBLE EVER

FROM A GREEK ORTHDOX KATHOLIKOS ( FIRST UNIVERSAL CHRISTIANS OF THE WORLD

IC XC NIKA
AND NEITHER IS ANOTHER RC WORD CALLED TRANSUBSTANTIATION MEANING THE CONSUMING OF JESUS BLOOD AND BODY AS A SACRIFICE.

EUCHARIST IS A GREEK WORD MEANING THANKFULNESS , GRATITUTE. AND IN WE TAKE ON IMMORTALITY THROUGH THE
EUCHARIST BECAUSE WE REMEMBER CHRIST WHICH GIVES US IMMORTALITY ,, THUS JESUS IS ALIVE AND ITS A CELEBRATION ..

"Eucharist" (noun). The word is derived from Greek "εὐχαριστία" (transliterated as "eucharistia"), which means thankfulness, gratitude, ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucharist - 149k

True EUCHARIST IN GREEK IS THE CELEBRATION OF IMMORTALITY AS WE LIVE THROUGH CHIRST AND REMEMBER ME IN CELEBRATION OF JESUS

2009-04-26 03:47:59 by cholito lindo

So today, my friend came to my church. he is a Presbyterian and I am a Catholic. He received the Eucharist at my church even though he is Presbyterian. I am kinda afraid for him. Just wondering, is he allowed to do this, and if not, what are the consequences?

Holy Communion is a sacrament of unity established by Jesus Christ. If a Presbyterian accepts only their internal decision on what that means, then no, of course not. They are not allowed to decide for Jesus Christ's church what is and what isn't. Only the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church are allowed to make that decision. A protestor is disobeying Christ when he disobeys the Roman Catholic Church by taking the Eucharist offered during a Catholic Mass. However, a protestor who respects the differences between his/her internal faith and the Faith in Jesus Christ manifested by Catholicism may approach the altar to be blessed.

The Roman Catholic Church is respected by God-fearing Presbyterians, but if they call themselves Presbyterian, then they are following a protest movement. Adhering to the tenets of anything other than Catholicism indicates the person has yet to believe in His church on earth, and it is a manifestation of the individual's belief that they alone can decide what Jesus meant and what he didn't mean. It wipes away in the blink of denial the entire tradition of the Roman Catholic Church, a tradition started by Christ, his Mother, his Apostles and the Early Church Fathers. That would be a most unChristian thing to do it don't ya think? Or perhaps you think Christianity is about what YOU believe or what I believe? Hmmmm.

Look at it this way. When you and your partner are bangin' away at it, do you make conscious decisions about whether you love that person or what opinion you have about that person. No, your body is telling you what to do to achieve that momentary big O, that eclipsing passion that sends you over the edge. Whatever your body says, you do. Period. Then you feel relieved. And you keep doing it in your concupescience, trying mightly to achieve that feeling over and over. Well, the Roman Catholic Church is the body in that example. It is what you obey. You don't think about it, you just go with it. It brings you to a much different, but much more lasting feeling of love. One that Christ brought, not one that your genes brings. The Church is One Body that accepts all of us if, unlike Eve and her bf A-man, if we obey. Terrible example, I'll probably get excommunicated.... CONFESSSSSION!!!! Yippee. Thank you Church Fathers!

No, Presbyterians are not allowed to accept Eucharist until they have accepted Jesus Christ's orders and the Roman Catholic Church. Until then, they are talking the talk, not walking the walk. It is not as easy as making an internal decision. It involves a community act. Which brings us back to the whole purpose of Catholicism: to unite mankind in One Faith, One Body. That was by order of Jesus Christ. It was why he made Peter the head of his church on earth. Peter listened to that internal manifestation of grace and testified to Christ's divinity BEFORE he was crucified. He was the only person other than Mary who did that. It was upon Peter then that the Church was founded, and despite all the ridiculous attempts to recast history, that's the way it is. Christ, Mary, Peter and his followers are where the tradition of Catholicism came from. That includes Paul, who certainly followed Peter despite his monumental work on his own as the author of so many surviving epistles. The questions asked here by non-Catholics are a perfect example of why those epistles were written, why there is a Bible to begin with.

Catholic tradition was spreading so far and so fast in its infancy that people needed instructions on how to behave. Peter was the seat of authority and the popes after him. So Paul of course prolifically wrote about many specific rites within the budding catholic faith because he did not have the authority Peter had. He subjugated himself to Peter as did all contemporaries of The Rock when it came to church matters. When both of them were gone, what started was an ministerial effort of enormous magnitutde as early catholics made formal the Roman Catholic doctrine's of Christ, Peter, Mary and Paul.

As one answer already has described, Paul gives pretty good instructions on receiving the Eucharist. Peter wrote epistles, but not on every matter because he was creating the oral tradition that we still have today. We still break bread, believe Jesus Christ is present, just as Peter did.

In every Catholic missal, you'll see instructions for non-Catholics. They may get in line to receive communion, but when they approach the Host or the Cup, they should cross their arms in front of their breast, palms down against the shoulders, and the priest or minister will give them a blessing instead of dispensing Eucharist. One can only hope they have a reverent moment of respect and love when that happens. One can only hope the protest leaves their heart so their head can obey. In this way, the non-Catholic show respectful participation in the Mass.

Presbyterians are very close to their Catholic origination, but they are not One yet with the Church. I've conversed with at least one branch of that protest, the :Dutch Reformed, and he still holds Calvin dear to his heart just as others hold Luther dear. They have yet to realize the Protestant movement failed to achieve its purpose and that it hangs on out of a tradition born in protest, not love.

You see, Catholicism is about unity and community. And that comes from obedience, not from believe you are the equal of Jesus, Peter, Paul, Mary, the Apostles, the Church fathers, the Pope, a local priest on matters of the Church. You subjugate yourself to your fellow man. I wish Kung Fu were part of the Catholic tradition. It's much easier to demonstrate physical prowess than it is to demonstrate love. Love has to be received, and once it is, subjugation is pretty much a nonissue.

It is quite obvious there is no reason for Christians not to unite under Catholicism, but you STILL see people finding reasons to make their own opinion greater than that of the Church. Good luck to ya.

If you are focused on your individual personal consequences, then obviously, you have much to learn about the message of Jesus Christ. It isn't about YOU. It's about ALL OF US. That is where Catholicism has its strength. And that's why it has its numbers. Thankfully, most of the world isn't hedonistically focused on jobs, material wealth, power..... they are focused on the immediate circle of people they love and care about and they're focused on survival. That helps them keep it in perspective. Then they see a Catholic priest or nun sacrifice their entire life to live with them, eat their food, sleep and shelter in their conditions for 20-30 years. That's walking the walk. It brings the total Faith, not just the parts that make individuals feel good about themselves and their personal interpretations. It's humbling. And out of humility, you get obedience to Christ through the method he left us to demonstrate obedience: the Roman Catholic Church.

That Church and our Savior Jesus Christ needs every one of you.

2010-01-31 16:56:22 by Mike