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I read in the newspaper that President Bush gave the Pope a walking stick with the Ten Commandments.
I'm curious whether it was the Protestant version of the Catholic version... Anyone know?
Oh, and yes, they are different:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Command ments#Division_of_the_commandments
He probably didn't number them because he can't count...
hehe :)
Hmm, there seems to be a glaring omission here. Something about graven images, I think? www.catholicexodus.org
The Catholic version of the Ten Commandments drops the 2nd commandment which forbids us to make any graven images and divides commandment number 10 into two parts to maintain a total of Ten Commandments.
Here are the Catholic Ten Commandments:
1) I am the LORD your God. You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only shall you serve.
2) You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
3) Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.
4) Honor your father and your mother.
5) You shall not kill.
6) You shall not commit adultery.
7) You shall not steal.
8) You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
9) You shall not covet your neighbor's wife.
10) You shall not covet your neighbor's goods.
The Ten Commandments come from Exodus 20:1 - 17 Verse 4 says Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
Why would this verse be omitted from the listing of the Ten Commandments of the Lord?
Badger - the first refers to worshiping other gods. The second refers to making a graven image. These are two completely different prohibitions. The verse is very specific in its definition of what images could not be created. Nothing in the heavens above, beneath the earth, on the earth or in the water. It does not refer to the worshiping of gods but the making of images to worship.
I'm not dogging Catholicism. I'm trying to understand the reasoning? While I am reading the same Bible and I have no doubt that the the verse is intact, I'm questioning the omission of the graven image instruction within the first. Okay. I can see the inclusion of the two but omitting the graven image from the first in the abbreviated version is the same is putting together the coveting of one's property and wife in the the same commandment.
By the way. Because you mention property and wife in the same sentence does not equate a wife to property. The actual scripture also includes a mans property, house, manservant, OX, Ass or anything that belongs to one's neighbor.
What is in the Temple of the Lord was commissioned by Him. The Arch, the Ox all at God's request. Just like he tells us not the Kill, He also instructed Moses to carry out his judgment when his laws were violated. Therefore any statue or image created that is not commissioned by God is an idol. Yes?
The Ten Commandments are not numbered in the Bible. The Catholic Church did not remove any wording. The prohibition against having other gods before God, would include the making of graven images for worship.
One could say the same for the Protestants. Is lumping your wife, and your goods into the same commandment right? I think (as a wife) that I am not the same as my husband's goods. Coveting goods is different than coveting a human being.
The bottom line is, the Catholic Bible has the entire ten commandments in both Exodus and Deuteronomy as given by God. Nothing has been omitted. Any Catholic can read for themselves the commandments of God.
The numbering of the commandments was done by people. Lutherans and some others (I can't remember) also have the same numbering as Catholics. Some Protestants number them differently. There is no right or wrong as long as the Bible isn't changed in any way...and it isn't.
What made the Roman Catholic Church believe it was okay to change the Ten Commandments to fit what they believed? If God wrote them down personally, He must've liked them the way He had them...last I checked God doesn't make mistakes and need man to change what He says.
The Catholic church removed the command about "no graven images" and split the "thou shalt not covet" command into "shall not covet neighbor's wife or someone's property".
The Catholic chruch was the first Christian church sweetie....
So we were around alot longer before Protestants were....
And last I checked you guys are the ones that changes things around alot, considering there's over 2,000 denominations cause you all can't get things straight....
And they are the same, we just have it worded differently, and teach it a different way....
Just like you guys and the Eucharist, that's the way it had been. But then you guys just take/teach that differently too....
Protestants are the ones if anyone who change things around....
=)
can u give me a breif description of what you believe the true meaning of the ten commandments is?
I am not a strong catholic, but i am writing a paper on catholic views of the ten cammandments, and i was hoping for some ideas.
Please help.
;)
The First Commandment: "Thou shalt not make to thee other gods"
The Second Commandment : "Thou shalt not profane the name of God."
The Third Commandment : "Thou shalt keep the sabbath holy"
The Fourth Commandment : "Thou shalt honour thy parents"
The Fifth Commandment: "Thou shalt not steal"
The Sixth Commandment: "Thou shalt not commit adultery"
The Seventh Commandment: "Thou shalt not kill"
The Eighth Commandment: "Thou shalt not bear false witness"
The Ninth Commandment: "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s house"
The Tenth Commandment: "Thou shalt not covet (or desire) thy neighbor’s wife
ImNOTaCatholic, but I did go to Catechism.
1. Have no gods before me: pretty straight forward: don't worship other gods and, never ever have a god that is worshiped as more important.
2. No graven images to bow down to: no idolatry. This gets some people in trouble as they tend to bow down to the cross. Additionally, God admits that he is jealous, which is not meaning zealous, but jealous, and will punish the great grandchildren of those that disobey, which shows how God is a rather petty and and small God for such inequitable punishment of those yet to exist.
3. Do not take the Lord's name in vain. Lots of people screw this one up. It means don't make claims that you speak for God or that God told you to this or that when you know it's a lie or claim to be more powerful or wonderful than God or make God's judgments for Him. This is saying, in effect, "I know God's business better than He does, so it's ok to worship me because I'm apparently better than God."
(Coincidentally, my criticisms of God probably get me in trouble on this end as well.)
4. Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy. Work 6 days then rest and do not put anyone to work that day either. Loads of people screw this one up too. In particular, there's even an argument over which day is the Sabbath day (7th day Adventists). Thanks to them, however, we have a 2 day weekend.
5. Honor your mother and father. If you do not understand the concept of honor, you will very likely screw this up. It means don't do fool things that smear your family name and don't disown your parents completely, even if they are nutjobs.
6. Thou shalt not kill. It doesn't sound ambiguous, but later the Lord orders the jews to slaughter innocent babies. Apparently there was some other meaning of "kill" or "murder" that I didn't quite understand.
7. Thou shalt not commit adultery. Having sex out of wedlock: no. Kids looking for loopholes: sorry, that includes that other stuff too.
8. Thou shalt not steal. Finally! One you hopefully can't screw up! Hear that music mp3 pirates!? No stealing!
9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. Again, it sounds unabiguous, but who counts as "neighbor?"
10. Thou shalt not covet your neighbor's stuff, including wife, servants, and especially his ass. That is, of course, unless God tells you it's ok to not only do that but also slaughter all his children too. Again, who exactly IS one's neighbor?
wow i need this 4 my homework plz help
I am sorry but your teachers are ignorant and very foolish.
Such blindness and darkness in their hearts and they presume to teach you!
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Please show them what I have written.
Edit :
If you want more,
... if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
The law cannot give life nor righteousness.
The whole Roman Catholic religion depends upon works, works of the law.
To refuse God's light in the Bible is blindness indeed and gross darkness and ignorance.
Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness.
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...The Ninth Commandment | Catholic Exchange
As we come to the Ninth Commandment we again arrive in disputed territory. As you will recall, the Ten Commandments can be and have been split up differently so as to yield ten and not eleven commandments. Some Protestants break apart the First Commandment (yielding what I call the 1.5 Commandment against graven images). The Catholic tradition, in contrast, leaves the First Commandment whole and breaks apart the following text:
The breakage is summed up this way:
Ninth Commandment: You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife.
Tenth Commandment: You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods.
We will bracket the discussion of the Tenth Commandment till next week—except to note one point. Moderns should pay attention to the fact that the Tradition shows, in a place we would hardly expect it, a curiously feminist streak. Whereas the code delivered to Bronze Age men simply tumbles the wife in with all the other property, the Catholic catechetical tradition pulled her out of the inventory and makes a rather sharp distinction between the kind of coveting that happens when you’ve got your eye on the neighbor’s Prius and the kind of coveting that happens when you’ve got your eye on the neighbor’s missus. And, of course, all this goes for coveting the neighbor’s husband too.
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